4.2.2026 – INTERVIEW: Sgt. Brian Lovell (FOP), Legislative Sauce, ICE Cooperation, Artemis 2

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Today’s show had that late-session “everybody’s a little saucy” energy—Neal Larson and Julie Mason were feeling it, the listeners were feeling it, and the Idaho Legislature was absolutely feeling it. We dug into the end-of-session maneuvering (including a “radiator cap” move that sparked Rep. Britt Raybould’s frustration), and then shifted into the bigger policy fights: immigration enforcement bills and the push to require (or effectively require) local agencies to partner more formally with ICE under 287(g). We also made room for a few “lighter but still important” threads—like the Artemis 2 mission (huge launch excitement, data collection goals, and the practical realities of space travel), plus a look at President Trump’s speech on Iran and the argument that this operation is not meant to become another endless war.

We also spent time on a debate that keeps coming up in Idaho: parent rights and schools, especially around secrecy and social gender transition policies. The team reacted strongly to Democratic lawmakers’ objections to penalties in a parent-notification bill, framing it as a values question—kids and parents first, jobs second. That conversation paired with a more constructive note: a teacher’s thoughtful Idaho Education News op-ed encouraging educators to treat the state’s new moment-of-silence law as an “invitation” rather than a burden. Hour two brought a key clarifier on the ICE issue: Sgt. Brian Lovell (Idaho Fraternal Order of Police) called in to explain why law enforcement leaders say they support working with ICE—but oppose state mandates they view as redundant, unclear, or resource-draining. We wrapped by bouncing into the real-world consequences of federal budget chaos and—because it’s us—some honest talk about AI fatigue and the growing hunger for authenticity.

### Highlights
– Idaho Legislature end-of-session tension: “radiator capping,” stalled bills, and Britt Raybould calling out a “hostile amendment.”
– Immigration enforcement fight: why some sheriffs/police oppose mandated 287(g) language while still saying they cooperate with ICE.
– Sgt. Brian Lovell (Idaho FOP) calls in to explain concerns: redundancy, data mandates, staffing/time costs, and lack of stakeholder collaboration.
– Parent-rights bill debate: penalties, secrecy in schools, and Bruce Skaug’s argument that keeping transitions from parents is the real outrage.
– Artemis 2 updates and why NASA’s mission data (including searching for lunar H2O/ice) matters long-term.

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